ketan agrawal

system
Last modified on July 05, 2022

Interesting phenomena:

Redundancy

Everyone has their “own road to Rome.” i.e., People in different fields reproduce many of the same algorithms or goals or whatever with different implementations. (Marr’s level stuff…)

Example Systems

Programming languages

Human languages

Filesystems

Emacs packages

Societies

Twitter circles

Biological

Cat

Universe

Links to “system”

transactivos (Conversational threads > About me (filtered for this convo))

  • 2016-ish: really interested in structures of all kinds
  • 2017-ish: discovered Symbolic Systems at Stanford - felt that it called to me.
  • Turing Test / Why People Think Computers Can’t: seminal moment for me in thinking about the nature of intelligence (related to What the fuck is “cognition” after all?)
    • studying artificial intelligence was an outgrowth of this inspirational moment
  • 2018-ish: had the idea for Thoughtset – being able to subset my thoughts in various ways
    treating each thought as an “atom” – can collect the atoms in different organizations
    • didn’t quite have the technical skills to express it yet.
  • 2019-ish: got very into vim, keyboard shortcuts, “system config” kind of stuff– crazy how vim keybindings become subconscious after a certain point 🤯
  • 2020-ish: became aware of roam / org-roam, becoming (more) interested in knowledge graphs, etc.
  • 2022-ish: meeting Gui, reading Designing Freedom, becoming aware of the societal perspective on systems. or the systems perspective on society?
  • future:
    • integrating the cybernetics / societal systems perspective that Gui has exposed me to into my work. working to create structures that increase individual freedom
    • who knows…?

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Introduction: The Systems Lens > Highlight (yellow) - Page 1 · Location 157)

Managers are not confronted with problems that are independent of each other , but with dynamic situations that consist of complex systems of changing problems that interact with each other . I call such situations messes . … Managers do not solve problems , they manage messes .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Introduction: The Systems Lens > Highlight (yellow) - Page 2 · Location 175)

So , what is a system ? A system is a set of things — people , cells , molecules , or whatever — interconnected in such a way that they produce their own pattern of behavior over time . The system may be buffeted , constricted , triggered , or driven by outside forces . But the system’s response to these forces is characteristic of itself , and that response is seldom simple in the real world .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Introduction: The Systems Lens > Highlight (yellow) - Page 3 · Location 200)

Modern systems theory , bound up with computers and equations , hides the fact that it traffics in truths known at some level by everyone . It is often possible , therefore , to make a direct translation from systems jargon to traditional wisdom .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Introduction: The Systems Lens > Highlight (yellow) - Page 4 · Location 220)

are intrinsically systems problems — undesirable behaviors characteristic of the system structures that produce them . They will yield only as we reclaim our intuition , stop casting blame , see the system as the source of its own problems , and find the courage and wisdom to restructure it .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Introduction: The Systems Lens > Highlight (yellow) - Page 6 · Location 260)

I don’t think the systems way of seeing is better than the reductionist way of thinking . I think it’s complementary , and therefore revealing . You can see some things through the lens of the human eye , other things through the lens of a microscope , others through the lens of a telescope , and still others through the lens of systems theory . Everything seen through each kind of lens is actually there . Each way of seeing allows our knowledge of the wondrous world in which we live to become a little more complete .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Introduction: The Systems Lens > Highlight (yellow) - Page 7 · Location 282)

a simple lesson but one that we often ignore : The behavior of a system cannot be known just by knowing the elements of which the system is made .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Part One: System Structure and Behavior > Highlight (yellow) - One: The Basics > Page 11 · Location 295)

A system * is an interconnected set of elements that is coherently organized in a way that achieves something . If you look at that definition closely for a minute , you can see that a system must consist of three kinds of things : elements , interconnections , and a function or purpose .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Part One: System Structure and Behavior > Highlight (yellow) - One: The Basics > Page 12 · Location 311)

Some people say that an old city neighborhood where people know each other and communicate regularly is a social system , and that a new apartment block full of strangers is not — not until new relationships arise and a system forms .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Part One: System Structure and Behavior > Highlight (yellow) - One: The Basics > Page 14 · Location 348)

It’s easier to learn about a system’s elements than about its interconnections .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Part One: System Structure and Behavior > Highlight (yellow) - One: The Basics > Page 14 · Location 353)

Information holds systems together and plays a great role in determining how they operate .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Part One: System Structure and Behavior > Highlight (yellow) - One: The Basics > Page 14 · Location 361)

If information - based relationships are hard to see , functions or purposes are even harder . A system’s function or purpose is not necessarily spoken , written , or expressed explicitly , except through the operation of the system . The best way to deduce the system’s purpose is to watch for a while to see how the system behaves .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Part One: System Structure and Behavior > Highlight (yellow) - One: The Basics > Page 15 · Location 374)

An important function of almost every system is to ensure its own perpetuation .

Links to “systems”

transactivos (Conversational threads > About me (filtered for this convo))

  • 2016-ish: really interested in structures of all kinds
  • 2017-ish: discovered Symbolic Systems at Stanford - felt that it called to me.
  • Turing Test / Why People Think Computers Can’t: seminal moment for me in thinking about the nature of intelligence (related to What the fuck is “cognition” after all?)
    • studying artificial intelligence was an outgrowth of this inspirational moment
  • 2018-ish: had the idea for Thoughtset – being able to subset my thoughts in various ways
    treating each thought as an “atom” – can collect the atoms in different organizations
    • didn’t quite have the technical skills to express it yet.
  • 2019-ish: got very into vim, keyboard shortcuts, “system config” kind of stuff– crazy how vim keybindings become subconscious after a certain point 🤯
  • 2020-ish: became aware of roam / org-roam, becoming (more) interested in knowledge graphs, etc.
  • 2022-ish: meeting Gui, reading Designing Freedom, becoming aware of the societal perspective on systems. or the systems perspective on society?
  • future:
    • integrating the cybernetics / societal systems perspective that Gui has exposed me to into my work. working to create structures that increase individual freedom
    • who knows…?

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Introduction: The Systems Lens > Highlight (yellow) - Page 1 · Location 157)

Managers are not confronted with problems that are independent of each other , but with dynamic situations that consist of complex systems of changing problems that interact with each other . I call such situations messes . … Managers do not solve problems , they manage messes .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Introduction: The Systems Lens > Highlight (yellow) - Page 2 · Location 175)

So , what is a system ? A system is a set of things — people , cells , molecules , or whatever — interconnected in such a way that they produce their own pattern of behavior over time . The system may be buffeted , constricted , triggered , or driven by outside forces . But the system’s response to these forces is characteristic of itself , and that response is seldom simple in the real world .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Introduction: The Systems Lens > Highlight (yellow) - Page 3 · Location 200)

Modern systems theory , bound up with computers and equations , hides the fact that it traffics in truths known at some level by everyone . It is often possible , therefore , to make a direct translation from systems jargon to traditional wisdom .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Introduction: The Systems Lens > Highlight (yellow) - Page 4 · Location 220)

are intrinsically systems problems — undesirable behaviors characteristic of the system structures that produce them . They will yield only as we reclaim our intuition , stop casting blame , see the system as the source of its own problems , and find the courage and wisdom to restructure it .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Introduction: The Systems Lens > Highlight (yellow) - Page 6 · Location 260)

I don’t think the systems way of seeing is better than the reductionist way of thinking . I think it’s complementary , and therefore revealing . You can see some things through the lens of the human eye , other things through the lens of a microscope , others through the lens of a telescope , and still others through the lens of systems theory . Everything seen through each kind of lens is actually there . Each way of seeing allows our knowledge of the wondrous world in which we live to become a little more complete .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Introduction: The Systems Lens > Highlight (yellow) - Page 7 · Location 282)

a simple lesson but one that we often ignore : The behavior of a system cannot be known just by knowing the elements of which the system is made .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Part One: System Structure and Behavior > Highlight (yellow) - One: The Basics > Page 11 · Location 295)

A system * is an interconnected set of elements that is coherently organized in a way that achieves something . If you look at that definition closely for a minute , you can see that a system must consist of three kinds of things : elements , interconnections , and a function or purpose .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Part One: System Structure and Behavior > Highlight (yellow) - One: The Basics > Page 12 · Location 311)

Some people say that an old city neighborhood where people know each other and communicate regularly is a social system , and that a new apartment block full of strangers is not — not until new relationships arise and a system forms .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Part One: System Structure and Behavior > Highlight (yellow) - One: The Basics > Page 14 · Location 348)

It’s easier to learn about a system’s elements than about its interconnections .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Part One: System Structure and Behavior > Highlight (yellow) - One: The Basics > Page 14 · Location 353)

Information holds systems together and plays a great role in determining how they operate .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Part One: System Structure and Behavior > Highlight (yellow) - One: The Basics > Page 14 · Location 361)

If information - based relationships are hard to see , functions or purposes are even harder . A system’s function or purpose is not necessarily spoken , written , or expressed explicitly , except through the operation of the system . The best way to deduce the system’s purpose is to watch for a while to see how the system behaves .

Thinking in Systems: A Primer (Highlights/annotations > Part One: System Structure and Behavior > Highlight (yellow) - One: The Basics > Page 15 · Location 374)

An important function of almost every system is to ensure its own perpetuation .